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TopicHas the left fully imploded yet?
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 4:00:48 PM
#54
GregShmedley posted...
This. Complacency is a bitch; if they want to win, they better come out and play.


I really don't think this is going to be a problem and if so, I see it damaging the Republicans more than the Democrats this time around. The idea that "Democrats are lazy for midterms" screams of a narrative that doesn't accurately represent things prior to Obama's win, nor does it reflect all sorts of elections we've seen since November 2016. I was hedging my bets earlier on during the special elections despite them showing a stronger Democrat turnout, especially early on, but after the results in Virginia it was evident more than ever that the enthusiasm isn't going away on the left. Likewise the grassroots push for the Democrats is far higher than I ever remember it being in quite some time, with more of a coordinated effort to push everywhere as much as possible.

And as for Republicans, I don't know how much rub he's going to be able to give voters to go out and vote to keep everyone in power. The Republican party revolting back against the Democrats was something that slowly built up over the last decade until they eventually took Congress and the Presidency. However maintaining that passion is far harder than to build it up.

This doesn't take into account a House map that is really unfavorable for Republican. I expect them to keep the Senate, though some states will flip around. But the House is extremely vulnerable.
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TopicRyan Reynolds chastised for hosting his marriage on a plantation
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 2:40:32 PM
#14
I'd do anything to fast forward to the days when "RANDOM NOBODY SAYS STUPID SHIT ON TWITTER!" stops being a news story
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TopicHas the left fully imploded yet?
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 2:28:42 PM
#30
bloodydeath0 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
bloodydeath0 posted...
i'm not too versed in HoR status, but since the Republicans have had the majority since 2011, and given the state of the Dems, i'd say this is probably accurate


It's completely inaccurate and goes against every trend that we've seen since November 2016...


Also all data available, and anything that could be even loosely connected to reality.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/15/midterm-election-democrats-trump-216978

thanks for the kind wording though


You just did a quick google search and pasted an article without reading it, didn't you?

Hell, you admitting your ignorance to how the House races are shaping up means your opinion on this matter is utterly irrelevant.
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TopicHas the left fully imploded yet?
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 2:12:48 PM
#20
bloodydeath0 posted...
i'm not too versed in HoR status, but since the Republicans have had the majority since 2011, and given the state of the Dems, i'd say this is probably accurate


It's completely inaccurate and goes against every trend that we've seen since November 2016...
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TopicHas the left fully imploded yet?
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 2:05:58 PM
#16
"THE LEFT HAS NO PLATFORMS AND CAN'T WIN ANY ELECTIONS!" says the people who think elections stopped in November of 2016 and the Democrats haven't been winning race after race and out preforming like never before across the country since that date
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TopicColumbine survivor introduces bill to expand concealed-carry in schools
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 11:29:55 AM
#47
voldothegr8 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
As a teacher this is horrifying and scary.

How so? I'm guessing you've never had firearm training or even shot a round off to have that mentality. My wife was once deathly afraid of guns too and said I could never have them under the same roof as her. We took a class together, she got to fire off some rounds, and now I own guns.


I assume because many teachers don't feel comfortable or want the responsibility involved. Which, obviously this bill wouldn't make it mandatory for teachers to be armed but it's reasonable to imagine why many teachers wouldn't be in favor of this. Not to mention you couldn't make it mandatory because it'd be a logistical nightmare and waste thousands of dollars across the country to locations that simply couldn't afford them.

The thing with allowing teachers to be armed on school grounds on their own basis is that it would require mass oversight to adhere guidelines are being properly followed and the risks don't outweigh the potential consequences. As nice as it would be to believe every teacher who did comply would be stringent about having the weapon securely on them at all moments, all it would take is one absent minded teacher to potentially cause a horrific incident. Not to mention things like there would have to be a complete code of silence on which teachers are armed, as to not call attention to and entice any potential danger. Especially in schools where crime and gangs are serious issues. Then there is the issue of this being implemented on a local, state, or federal level and how that would work with teachers. I just don't know how an effective policy could be to allow this.
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TopicTrump approval rating average surges to 43%. Close to par of Obama's 2nd term.
The Great Muta 22
02/20/18 9:49:27 AM
#52
Good lord what a disgusting misrepresentation of data and polling. 538's rating on Trump isn't "trending up and will continue while Obama's stagnated", Trump has consistently hovered around 38%-42% after the rub of the first 100 days ran off and until we see more evidence of an increase, the trends show it will stay around that. Obama meanwhile hovered around the 46%-50% his entire first year, with dips and peaks depending on events.

Meanwhile comparing 538s model to RCP average is completely stupid as well, as it doesn't use the same polls and weigh them the same. RCP has Trump sitting with an average of 41.6. The average of Obama's second term was 45.9. The ONLY time it dipped close to where Trump is was during 2014 where he still beats Trump presently.

Just, such a bad use of stats and polling
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TopicBlue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 3:22:06 PM
#86
Bishop9800 posted...
Another Mal "I want attention so I'll just post some bullshit" topic.

Nothing to see here.


And runs away when his own source is revealed to say not to do the exact thing he did with the data...
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TopicVoter IDs required vs Tougher gun laws
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 12:38:47 PM
#63
darkjedilink posted...
Anteaterking posted...
Typhon posted...
How did they get a job without an ID? How do they cash a paycheck without ID? How did they rent a home with no ID?

Are you suggesting this doesn't happen?

Usually in poorer neighborhoods there are people willing to provide those services without ID.

It doesn't happen legally.


You're the type that thinks no legal resident would work under the table, aren't you?
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TopicWWE has finally scraped the bottom of the barrel....
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 12:26:15 PM
#6
What a ridiculous look and gimmick that was
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TopicBlue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 12:17:48 PM
#80
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
I see a lot of straws and a lot of men.

This topic, and this board, is just going crazy with the hypocrisy. It really is funny.


This post is saying absolutely nothing but throwing ad homs. Try again
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TopicVoter IDs required vs Tougher gun laws
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 11:58:30 AM
#35
DarthAragorn posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
TC would probably advocate for a poll tax and literacy test too.

Is it really a bad thing to advocate for a literacy test for the purpose of electing people to make public policy decisions

As long as the tests are the same for everyone I would support it


Yes, it is a bad thing and it violates the law
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TopicBlue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 11:56:48 AM
#75
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Lol, so red states dont report them is the acceptable answer? Lol. Really, lol.


That's one of the reasons the FBI listed why you shouldn't use this data by locale, yes
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TopicBlue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 11:51:10 AM
#72
CyricZ posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight.

Lol nice I missed this.

But to Mal's credit, it doesn't specifically call him out by name to not misuse the data.


I was having a bit of deja vu when I first started the topic and couldn't remember until I did a UCR search and South Carolina hate laws and started seeing all the articles from 2015 about the Charleston church shooting, as it was a big point of argument then and used by people on the right to show that blue states were more racist. It was bullshit to use then and it's bullshit now, and the FBI themselves recognize it as such.
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TopicBlue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 11:29:21 AM
#67
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Fony posted...
- Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net.


/endtopic

That's interesting, because according to the FBI all those states have been reporting hate crimes. So who's lying, Fony or the FBI?


You. You're lying by misrepresenting the facts. Especially considering the FBI themselves says not to use the UCR to make any claims as it does not paint a complete picture nor does it provide the proper insight.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-statistics-their-proper-use

UCR data are sometimes used to compile rankings of individual jurisdictions and institutions of higher learning. These incomplete analyses have often created misleading perceptions which adversely affect geographic entities and their residents. For this reason, the FBI has a longstanding policy against ranking participating law enforcement agencies on the basis of crime data alone. Despite repeated warnings against these practices, some data users continue to challenge and misunderstand this position.

Data users should not rank locales because there are many factors that cause the nature and type of crime to vary from place to place. UCR statistics include only jurisdictional population figures along with reported crime, clearance, or arrest data. Rankings ignore the uniqueness of each locale. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place are:

Population density and degree of urbanization.
Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration.
Stability of the population with respect to residents; mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors.
Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability.
Modes of transportation and highway systems.
Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.
Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness.
Climate.
Effective strength of law enforcement agencies.
Administrative and investigative emphases on law enforcement.
Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational).
Citizens attitudes toward crime.
Crime reporting practices of the citizenry

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TopicBlue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states
The Great Muta 22
02/19/18 11:14:02 AM
#57
Fony posted...
- Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net.


/endtopic
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TopicAt rally, Parkland shooting survivors rail against gun laws, NRA and Trump
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 12:19:02 PM
#108
DirkDiggles posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
What a shit meme that picture is


Truth hurts sometimes.


Nah, it's just a shitty meme, regardless of the content.
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TopicWatching Fox News is an exercise in censorship
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 12:17:51 PM
#35
0TiamaT0 posted...
The real question is if TC actually cares about media censorship, or if he only cares that one particular group does it?

Because singling out just one, immediately makes you look biased


No, it doesn't do that at all. In fact your post screams of insecurity because FN got attacked and you for some reason feel the need to stick up for them
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TopicWhy do we have to feel bad for liking guns and wanting guns?
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 12:16:00 PM
#3
You don't have to feel anything. If you feel upset or guilty about people not approving of your past time then that's a "you" thing.
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TopicAt rally, Parkland shooting survivors rail against gun laws, NRA and Trump
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 12:02:00 PM
#96
What a shit meme that picture is
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TopicVictims of Florida shooting planning march on DC on March 24th
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 11:26:42 AM
#1
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida-teen-shooting-survivors-announce-march-washington-demand/story?id=53178265

Teen survivors of the school shooting massacre in Florida last week are calling for a march on Washington to demand action on gun control.

Student organizers of the protest told ABC News' "This Week" Co-Anchor Martha Raddatz on Sunday that they are determined to use protests and political action to make the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, a turning point in the national debate over gun control.

People keep asking us, what about the Stoneman Douglas shooting is going to be different, because this has happened before and change hasn't come? Cameron Kasky, an 11th-grader told Raddatz. This is it.

Called "March for Our Lives," the demonstration in Washington is to be on March 24, according to Kasky and four of his classmates whom Raddatz also interviewed -- Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg, Alex Wind and Jaclyn Corin.

In addition to the march in Washington, the organizers also plan protests in other cities around the country.

"We are going to be marching together as students begging for our lives," Kasky said. "This isn't about the GOP. This isn't about the Democrats. This is about the adults. We feel neglected and at this point, you're either with us or against us."

Any politician on either side who is taking money from the NRA is responsible for events like this, the high school junior said of the shooting on Feb. 14 that killed 17 students and teachers at the school. At the end of the day, the NRA is fostering and promoting gun this gun culture.

Kasky said the point is to "create a new normal where there's a badge of shame on any politician who's accepting money from the NRA.

Gonzalez added that the student activists from Parkland want to have conversations about guns with President Donald Trump, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Gov. Rick Scott, also a Republican.

We want to give them the opportunity to be on the right side of this, she said.

Raddatz asked Gonzales what she would say to other students around the country to encourage them to join the protest.

The high school senior said, "The kids who need to take part in this are kids, everyday kids just like us. They are students who need to understand that this can very quickly happen to them ... They need to join us, and they need to help us get our message across. All students should realize that a school shooting could happen anywhere."

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TopicDaily Mail is getting DUMPED by advertisers after embarrassing, homophobic......
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 11:00:30 AM
#11
Asherlee10 posted...
Ricemills posted...
wait, i thought advertisers on Daily Fail are the kind of people who support that kind of articles.


Really, I thought they were a typically left-leaning paper?


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market tabloid newspaper owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust and published in London. Has a strong conservative bias and has a poor track record with fact checkers.

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TopicBill Clinton panicked as 1998 sealed Grand Jury documents to be released
The Great Muta 22
02/18/18 10:54:54 AM
#33
Cal12 posted...
When did anyone say that Iraq was responsible for 9/11? Bush literally used UN weapons inspectors getting a hard time in Iraq as his justification for invading. Literally was never about 9/11. Fox News might have done their usual idiocy about potential but thats it.


Well that's just not true, as many people both in the Bush WH and their surrogates all over the media on all the networks made that connection. At the time it wasn't just FNC pushing that belief, it was all over the place regardless of partisan spin
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TopicTrump: Democrats don't really want to take your guns away
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 8:30:57 PM
#18
Ah yes, we all know that time when Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority in Congress, for all of a little over 4 months...
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TopicGroup chat messages show school shooter obsessed with race, violence and guns
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 2:27:17 PM
#113
KingCrabCake posted...
byrone posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
byrone posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
byrone posted...

I just told you how to find your answer.


Ahhh you dont have one. Good to know. Thank you TC. Sorry for asking you.

Are you too lazy to Google?


You're just incapable of giving an answer. Its cool

Why am I responsible to answer your question? I told you exactly what to Google and read. Stop being lazy.

You clearly have a lot of time on your hands seeing as you have 400 activite posts on gamefaqs Lmao


And now you're deflecting because you're incapable of giving an answer. All good


It's a stupid question and you deserve a stupid answer.
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TopicIs the shooter white? if not who cares
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 2:25:57 PM
#26
0TiamaT0 posted...
The media did invent the term white hispanic during the Treyvon shooting story.

It wouldnt have been nearly the story it was if they couldnt shoehorn some kind of racism into it...

Even though this is fake, the media already tainted itself in its continuing need for sensationalism.


"Even if it's fake, I'm going to bitch about it anyway, because I secretly wish it could have been real and I could complain about the media some more"
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TopicGroup chat messages show school shooter obsessed with race, violence and guns
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 2:19:09 PM
#111
KingCrabCake posted...
byrone posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
byrone posted...

I just told you how to find your answer.


Ahhh you dont have one. Good to know. Thank you TC. Sorry for asking you.

Are you too lazy to Google?


You're just incapable of giving an answer. Its cool


Well it's a stupid question to begin with. Being raised by adopted parents of a specific ethnicity doesn't suddenly mean you can't be bigoted against said ethnicity. That's absurd.
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TopicGuy in a Trump shirt pulls a knife on Wayne State U campus; is only suspended.
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:51:26 PM
#24
Bloodychess posted...
Yes, he pulled out a weapon in front of a clearly hostile mob that was clearly incapable of reason or logic because they were blinded by passion and hate.

Fuck him for knowing that leftists are violent assholes when they are in groups


Perhaps he shouldn't have pulled a knife and said "We need to deport or kill all the illegals..." as the start of his argument if he didn't want to piss people off?
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TopicWhy is online trolling considered "voting interference"? lmao
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:49:18 PM
#33
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Lmao at Mal thinking he knows more about the law than actual federal investigators. I'm sorry you are too ignorant to understand FARA violations, but that doesn't change reality, and your disingenuous attempt to spin this entire thing as a case of "few random people shitposting online" is completely pathetic.

They literally just indicted 16 people for shitposting online.


Nope. You can keep saying this but it doesn't make it true. FARA violations are a real thing no matter how much that may piss you off.

When Sadiq Khan blasted Trump incessantly during the campaign, was that a FARA violation?


You honestly think these situations are comparable, don't you? Did you actually read any of the indictment or are you simply regurgitating Tucker Carlson-esque talking points?
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TopicWhy is online trolling considered "voting interference"? lmao
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:18:58 PM
#29
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Lmao at Mal thinking he knows more about the law than actual federal investigators. I'm sorry you are too ignorant to understand FARA violations, but that doesn't change reality, and your disingenuous attempt to spin this entire thing as a case of "few random people shitposting online" is completely pathetic.

They literally just indicted 16 people for shitposting online.


Nope. You can keep saying this but it doesn't make it true. FARA violations are a real thing no matter how much that may piss you off.
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TopicThe school shooter was a MAGA hat wearing Trumpanzee
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:15:53 PM
#123
Shuto-uke posted...
@tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/exclusive-school-shooter-instagram-group/index.html?no-st=1518872850

You were saying!? Plus, MAGA cap


Cruz said he hated black people simply because they were black; Cruz hated Jews because he believed they wanted to destroy the world. After one member expressed hatred for gay people, Cruz agreed, saying, "Shoot them in the back of head." White women drew Cruz's hatred as well, specifically those in interracial relationships, whom he referred to repeatedly as traitors.


During one of the anti-Semitic rants in the chat, Cruz spoke of his birth mother, saying, "My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her."


"He seemed nice but also had some mental issues," one member told CNN. "All (I know) is that he likes guns and really hates liberals."


As cliche and tired out as this phrase has become...

Yikes.
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TopicWhy is online trolling considered "voting interference"? lmao
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:12:17 PM
#27
Lmao at Mal thinking he knows more about the law than actual federal investigators. I'm sorry you are too ignorant to understand FARA violations, but that doesn't change reality, and your disingenuous attempt to spin this entire thing as a case of "few random people shitposting online" is completely pathetic.
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:06:14 PM
#141
Kazi1212 posted...
So Trump had nothing to do with it? I thought the whole Mueller investigation was into Trump and his administration specifically


And you'd be completely wrong. Here's the actual outline:

By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows:

(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confined by then-FBI Director James B Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. 600.4(a).

(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

(d) Sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.

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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/17/18 12:00:06 PM
#140
Darksaber310 posted...
Because to date, they've started indicting people for following the laws and rules, while choosing not to indict others who did the same. If buying ads on facebook to "turn public opinion" is hackinz our erectionz then I'm awaiting Fox and CNN's indictments any day now. Hell I'd settle for Fusion GPS.

They can start calling it interference when they can prove a systemic hack of the elections themselves.


You could have just said you don't understand how FARA violations work and that you didn't read the indictment instead of pushing this bullshit lie
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TopicGuy in a Trump shirt pulls a knife on Wayne State U campus; is only suspended.
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 11:22:48 PM
#9
Bump for the pony tail and half beard
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TopicWho do you think will win the 2020 US election?
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 7:34:24 PM
#14
TopicI am a straight, white, Christian male who's a legal citizen of the US.
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 7:14:30 PM
#19
TopicAm I allowed to call middle-school chicks cute?
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 5:50:21 PM
#18
Feel free, but people are going to judge you
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 5:11:38 PM
#108
darkjedilink posted...
Axiom posted...
Russia being proven to have done what everyone aside from Trump supporters already knew they did. What a shock

Once again, there's no connection to Trump.


Which he never claimed in his post....stop trying to change the discussion.

And I'm still wondering, if you admit Obama was wrong in 12 and 14 with his comments about the seriousness of the threat that Russia was, do you think that the President should enforce the bipartisan sanctions that he signed into law yet refused to enforce?
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:52:57 PM
#103
darkjedilink posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
I never said that he wasn't. I was instead saying that Obama making that comment in 2012 leaves out the context of Russian action since 2012 and is used as a way to discredit him.

There's no context to ignore. Obama said it, and it was a really fucking stupid thing to say in 2012. Then, in 2014, after Crimea, he doubled-down on that same rhetoric.


I mean I acknowledged Romney was correct in 2012 and that if that's how Obama felt for real in 14 he was wrong again. And if you agree with that then why the hell doesn't our current President enforce bipartisan sanctions on this same country?
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:35:05 PM
#95
ThePrinceFish posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
but according to Agent Orange there was no interference


According to your Messiah Obama, Romney was a buffoon when said we should worry about Russia.


i dont recall the exact context in which that was said or what it was about, specifically. but if Obama somehow implied that we shouldn't do anything about Russia ever, then I'd say he was wrong.


It's a reference to the 2012 election debate when Romney called Russia our greatest geo-political threat facing America and Obama told him the Cold War was over. It's used by Trump toadies to point out hypocrisy while completely ignoring events that had happened since the time Obama made that comment, such as the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Odd because in 2014 Obama thinks that Russia going after Crimea is evidence of their overall weakness.

With respect to Mr. Romneys assertion that Russia is our number one geopolitical foe, the truth of the matter is that America has got a whole lot of challenges. Russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors not out of strength but out of weakness. Ukraine has been a country, [over] which Russia had enormous influence for decades, since the breakup of the Soviet Union. We have considerable influence on our neighbors; we generally dont need to invade them in order to have a strong cooperative relationship with them. The fact that Russia felt compelled to go in militarily and lay bare these violations of international law indicates [that they have] less influence, not more.


Yeah, that totally reads like political bullshit speak to me, something Obama certainly made a habit out of doing. It comes off, at least to me, as an attempt to basically discredit Russia to the world and basically say "they aren't shit, America is still on top" instead of propping them up.
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:32:17 PM
#93
darkjedilink posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
but according to Agent Orange there was no interference

According to your Messiah Obama, Romney was a buffoon when said we should worry about Russia.

i dont recall the exact context in which that was said or what it was about, specifically. but if Obama somehow implied that we shouldn't do anything about Russia ever, then I'd say he was wrong.

It's a reference to the 2012 election debate when Romney called Russia our greatest geo-political threat facing America and Obama told him the Cold War was over. It's used by Trump toadies to point out hypocrisy while completely ignoring events that had happened since the time Obama made that comment, such as the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

No, Crimea kinda proves Romney was right.


I never said that he wasn't. I was instead saying that Obama making that comment in 2012 leaves out the context of Russian action since 2012 and is used as a way to discredit him.

But yes, Obama was wrong and Romney was correct there.
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TopicFBI knew about this shooter for months.
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:30:45 PM
#39
TrollSlayer11 posted...
lolife67 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Guide them along a restricted path where the FBI sets up an arms deal with the suspect potential shooter and allow them to incriminate themselves and toss their ass in jail before they can hurt anyone for real?

So, entrapment?


The FBI does it with Islamic terrorists already. Why not extend the practice?


And depending on certain conspiracy theorists, that's basically what happened in Vegas except the shooter snapped.
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:27:09 PM
#89
Giant_Aspirin posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
but according to Agent Orange there was no interference


According to your Messiah Obama, Romney was a buffoon when said we should worry about Russia.


i dont recall the exact context in which that was said or what it was about, specifically. but if Obama somehow implied that we shouldn't do anything about Russia ever, then I'd say he was wrong.


It's a reference to the 2012 election debate when Romney called Russia our greatest geo-political threat facing America and Obama told him the Cold War was over. It's used by Trump toadies to point out hypocrisy while completely ignoring events that had happened since the time Obama made that comment, such as the annexation of Crimea in 2014.
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:24:44 PM
#88
Funny how all these "patriotic" Americans are fine with clear interference in our nations elections conducted by organizations directly funded by a foreign government. Especially when they cite "muhfreezepeach" when said foreign government goes out of their way to censor information and dissension in their own country.

Really makes you think
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Topic"Keep politics out of sports"
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:20:58 PM
#89
Politics have literally been involved in sports for hundreds of years. Anyone who wants to pretend this is some new thing that needs to stop are completely full of shit and need to get some thicker skin.
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 2:58:01 PM
#77
darkjedilink posted...
No, YOU guys have been saying 'any day now' since before inauguration.

I've been saying 'where's the evidence Trump was involved?' This indictment suggests there still is none, yet you got people in this thread hoping for Trump's death as a result.


Let the investigation play out. I'll make my conclusion after the special prosecutor is finished, as well as after I get to see all the documents as best as possible. Oh, and people hoping for Trumps death are stupid.

If you think he's innocent then you have nothing to worry about
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 2:55:30 PM
#74
s0nicfan posted...
MOST of which were either pro-hillary or pro-BLM, and only a couple that supported Trump


Indictment doesn't give qualifiers like most or couple, stop lying.

s0nicfan posted...
My stance has been pretty consistently "Trump does enough dumb shit on his own, so stop making up more shit because it weakens your entire platform."


Bullshit. Your entire stance to defend Trump at every moment and consistently attack "leftist/liberals/sjws/etc" over some victim complex you have where you view any criticism from them, legit or not, as complete bullshit that you need to attack.
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TopicALERT: Mueller indicts 16 Russians
The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 2:25:29 PM
#63
s0nicfan posted...
So given the history of special councils, when we're in year 3 of Trump's presidency and there's still no charges, are we then allowed to start laughing openly?


Except you're already doing that, so you can't play that card lmao
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